Jedi Knights: Evenings of Passion

jediYup, well, it’s out of the bag now, officially at least.  Jedi Knights are in TOR, and they’re pretty much what you expected.  More finesse than the Sith Warrior, and more wimpy for it.  As you can tell, this news doesn’t get my heart pumping any faster — I’m just not that excited about Force-users in Star Wars.  I feel they’re overplayed, over-worshiped, and over-emphasized in any product in which they appear.  Plus, I’m envisioning the headache I’m going to get playing in a crowd of 90% lightsaber wielders, who are all jumping around and waving their big rave sticks like Jedi whack-a-moles.

I find it not just a bit hilarious that BioWare is referencing Samuel L. Jackson’s Mace Windu as the primary inspiration for this iconic role.  Not Obi Wan, Qui-Gon Jinn, Luke or Yoda, hm?  Nope, you had to go with the guy who sat on his butt more than he ever fought?  I wonder if that’ll be a skill: “Jedi Meditation – Sit still and meditate in the Force, completely oblivious to the fact that the Emperor and the Sith are going to topple the republic right out from under your nose.”  What I think is going on here is that they want to throw a bone to the prequel fans, since thus far all of the iconic roles have referenced the original trilogy characters.

I just want to see them try to justify Padme as an iconic character, since a list of her top 40 accomplishments include losing control of her entire planet without much of a fight, elevating the evil Emperor to rule, exposing her midriff, tolerating Darth Vader’s hammy romantic come-ons, getting pregnant, and then dying because she’s really, like, sad or something.  That’s hotkeys 1-6 right there.

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13 thoughts on “Jedi Knights: Evenings of Passion

  1. Thac0 October 30, 2009 / 4:12 pm

    Yup! I agree, I don’t really enjoy Jedi in games nor do i think they are the best thing since toast. TOR is shaping up to be Meh

    Also your last two paragraphs are priceless.

  2. FraidOfTheLight October 30, 2009 / 4:13 pm

    Hey, don’t knock it; exposing one’s midriff takes a lot of practise. Or something.

  3. Eliza E October 30, 2009 / 5:48 pm

    Wait, there were fans of the prequel?

    I kid, I kid… Partially at least.

    The other possible reason why they’re citing Mace Windu as the primary inspiration for the character could be because they want to paint the Jedi as being somewhat badass so that everyone who wants a lightsaber doesn’t just roll Sith Warrior. What better way than to claim that SAMUEL L. JACKSON is the role model for the archetype?

    If anyone has any doubts about this theory, please consult Mr. Jackson’s wallet, as it has all the information you need to correct your erroneous judgment.

    (Huge Sam L. fan, does it show? :P)

  4. Tesh October 30, 2009 / 6:39 pm

    Is it terribly unpolitic to note that the esteemed Mr. Jackson/Windu has a somewhat different measure of melanin in his epidermis than the other ballyhooed Jedi? Yoda understandably excluded.)

  5. Victor Stillwater October 31, 2009 / 5:13 am

    I would roll a Jedi just to be called Snakezona Plein, in deference to Sam “Mace Windu” Jackson’s awesomeness. 😀

  6. Ans3m October 31, 2009 / 6:15 am

    Just because Windu ‘Sat on his butt more than he ever fought’ in the films doesn’t mean he isn’t a capable and powerful Jedi Master. Were it not for Anakins intervention, he would have bested the Emperor long before Luke was even born. Don’t be so quick to discard him.

  7. Dblade October 31, 2009 / 11:50 am

    The other Jedi really aren’t that much better, except for Luke. Qui-gon Jin I like to refer to as Jedi Lite. His accomplishments include unleashing the future Vader on the world, getting punked by Darth Maul, and failing to hypnotize a little flying frenchie alien.

    Obi-wan…well, “a certain point of view” and “But you were the chosen one!”Plus, I’m waiting for the explanation of how getting killed by Vader made him more powerful than he could possibly imagine, since all he did was pop in as a disembodied voice to give advice now and then.

    Yoda…pluses include flipping around like a monkey on crack. Negatives include not rallying the remnants of the Jedi to fight or even joining the rebellion, and having the occasional outstanding failure of judgement.

    It’s tough because the whole setup of the films is that the Jedi order failed massively, and while Jedi are cool in the concrete details of swinging around lightsabers, and generally being as close to shaolin monks as we can get in a science fiction film, they had to screw up a lot to make the film possible. Doesn’t help either that the prequels were long on CGI and short on plot.

  8. tarisai November 2, 2009 / 5:20 am

    I wouldn’t consider this a flaw so much as an early development disaster.

    Mace Windu is much more akin to the everyday Jedi Guardian of the old Republic. His strength in the force stems from his focus in battle which fits nicely into a MMO where combat is going to be the primary means of gaining experience etc.

    However, the disaster is the fact that Jedi are starter classes in the first place.

    I liked the idea that in the “god ol’ days” of Star Wars Galaxies, pre NGE, a Jedi would be an awesome sight due to their rarity – as they should be. I also loved the fact that perma death was implemented so Jedi couldn’t run amok pwning everything in sight with little to no consequence.

    Although the Jedi population throughout the galaxy was huge at this point in the Star Wars time line, it still feels a little cheap. The most dashing, sly and stupidly courageous smuggler in the galaxy should not have a chance against the greatest and most skilled Jedi in a straight up fist fight – which will now have to be true in the interest of game balance.

    One thought I had back when TOR was announced: replace the Jedi starter class with a force sensitive initiate that was not deemed suitable for further training. You would then join a Corp. such as farming or whatever – helping the galaxy in a peaceful manner until you are called to war. You would then ascend the ladder trial by fire style until you gained all necessary skills and the attention of your Jedi peers to take the trials.
    Same for Sith. Start out as one angry little emo kid making custom casing for your mix tapes out of the entrails of small woodland creatures – to be noticed by the Sith and taken to Korriban and taught how focus your anger and hate through the force.

    Needs fleshing out, but I feel it’s a better line to take. Would also enable people to choose a force sensitive character and not become Jedi/Sith – instead using your mind tricks as a smuggler to mule contraband over borders, or a trooper using a form of battle meditation to give better orders to his troops, or a

    A little late in voicing my opinions, but I still have faith that (and am very much looking forward to) Bioware will deliver on immersion as far as the story will go. The only concern will be the naked Jedi flipping on mailboxes.

    Role Play server for me I think…

  9. shadowwar November 2, 2009 / 11:46 am

    To be fair, it was Padme’s idiocy in assigning comedic relief as her stand-in for government office that elevated the Emporer to power. Not directly her stupidity, but close enough for horseshoes.

  10. Tesh November 2, 2009 / 12:42 pm

    *seconds Dblade’s comment*

    I’m not terribly impressed with the Jedi council. Windu *is* better in some of the novels (Shatterpoint was pretty good), but as a senior Jedi, he, as well as the others, missed the forest for the trees.

  11. TF November 2, 2009 / 4:27 pm

    The problem with all the “let’s make them force intiates who are not worthy of Jedi” and then ranking them up is that SWTOR isn’t going to be that type of MMO. It’s going to just be WoW, replacing the classes with SW themed ones. If the game had real balls (which it doesn’t since it’s going the safe route), it’d start you as a kid in the SW universe and let you pick a planet or colony where you’d have a good chance to become a merchant, or a bounty hunter, or a Jedi, etc.

    Instead, we’re getting a heavy emphasis on that horrible Fable good/bad style split dialogue which is just annoying… especially since everybody else in the universe gets those same 2 or 3 dialogue options as well.

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