Ugly PUGlys

I’m not having the best of luck with PUGs these days, am I?  Last night in RIFT was even worse than the horrible leaping dolt of last week.  At the risk of continuing a slightly negative streak this week, I’ll share with you a quick experience so I can lance this mental boil and be done with it.

For starters: two non-stop jumpers.  We were in a Tier 1 dungeon, and I’d gotten in under damage.  No sweat, it actually proceeds normally, and I do as many AOE attacks to help out with the large number of pulls we’re doing.

But then around the two-minute mark, one of the guys starts pulling out a DPS meter and constantly spams the chat with it.  As is well-known around here, I loathe DPS meters when they’re wielded for epeen purposes, as was the case here.  Nobody asked to have it thrown in our face, but this interesting run suddenly became stressful.  Two of the party members started arguing about what archetype could put out the most damage.  I just kept quiet, AOE attack AOE attack don’t die don’t die.

Fast-forward to our second boss fight — we down the guy just fine, no deaths, and a really cool dagger drops that I roll need on.  The next thing I know, I’ve been voted out of the party and kicked from the instance.  Why?  Well, either a Rogue needing a dagger upgrade was blasphemous somehow, or I just failed to meet the DPS standards of this obviously leet group.

I have to say, it left a bad taste in my mouth.  I know some people are all about the gear and numbers, but I’m not, and my thought is that if we’re getting through the content at a reasonable pace without dying, who cares?  Also, how am I supposed to get better gear to increase my DPS if my fellow players aren’t patient enough with me to let me finish these runs?

I know that by posting this, my guild’s going to konk me on the back of my head and tell me to eschew PUGs, and I’ll probably take their advice.  I guess I just feel lost at the RIFT level cap right now, a not uncommon experience whenever I’ve gotten to the max level in any MMO.  I just don’t know how much I care about gearing up, since I really don’t have the time or inclination to be a raider.

What does interest me is my lowbie Cleric — who I should work on this week while the XP bonus is still active — and the upcoming 1.5 patch with its alternate advancement and solo instances.  My Rogue still has three high-level zones’ worth of quests to go through, but I’m saving those until the planar attunement trees come out so that the XP doesn’t go to waste.  In the meanwhile, I guess I’ll continue with the Water Saga chain and see if I can poke my head back in expert dungeons without it getting snapped off.

13 thoughts on “Ugly PUGlys

  1. paeroka September 1, 2011 / 1:40 pm

    I’d love to have two kinds of servers. One for people like you and me and one that measures a player’s value by the size of their epeen. *sigh*

    This is what’s made me mostly solo MMOs by now. Avoiding PuGs is the best I can do to stop me from hating a game.

  2. bhagpuss September 1, 2011 / 2:10 pm

    One of the really nice things about Rift is that you can get very good gear in a variety of ways.

    I haven’t done any dungeons in Rift at all. Well, that’s not strictly true. I healed one run of Realm of the Fay about a week after launch, at around level 20. The point is, none of my level 50s have done any dungeoneering.

    They are, however, dressed almost entirely in purples and well qualified to do T2 dungeons should they be crazy enough to want to emulate your experiences. My two casters are in crafted gear, all made either by my own characters or Mrs Bhagpuss’s. My rogue is in Rank 4 PvP gear.

    Rift’s crafting is a real doddle. It’s a surprising combination of very easy and very useful. You don;t see that in many MMOs. PvP is, if anything, even easier. All you have to do is turn up, basically, because the losing team gets at least 50% as much favor and prestige as the winners. Stick a few +hit or +focus runes on the PvP armor and it’s fine for PvE.

    My problem is that although I can easily upgrade my armor i don’t really have a clear idea why I’m doing it. I mainly just do tons of PvP and Rifts because they are fun to do and the upgrades are a bonus. No-one ever asks me what I’m doing, criticizes my DPS or healing or kicks me ut of a PvP or Rift group. I just keep quiet and no-one seems to know or care what I’m doing!

  3. Capn John September 1, 2011 / 4:32 pm

    If you Need Roll on an item then get kicked before everyone else rolls, can you still ‘win’ the item?

    IMO that would be worth putting in a ticket.

  4. Zed September 1, 2011 / 5:45 pm

    That kind of nonsense is exactly the reason (well one of them) why I’m far more interested in GW2 than I ever was in Rift.

  5. Dolnor September 2, 2011 / 7:00 am

    Many of my freinds are coming back to LOTRO these days from RIFT. They are finding that over time, less mature/intelligent players are outnumbering those that are sociable and fun to group with. The love RIFT’s systems and game play, just not the player base anymore. Most had been testing the game since the beginning of the closed beta.

  6. snickeringcorpses September 2, 2011 / 8:49 am

    Ouch. The sudden vote-kick when you did a need on the dagger was especially strange. I’d kind of concur on that being ticketable.

    I’ve related a bad pug experience on here once or twice already, I think. I am reminded of the wizard group leader, in a robe, a couple of years ago who was fussed at by the tank for running ahead of the group, declared that he had a higher AC than the tank did, ran ahead again and was mobbed by undead and killed in quick order, but not before he managed to drag the whole mob of six or more back to a couple more group members so we could get killed too. Including the healer. So nobody could rez. Then fussed at us for not helping him and rage quit.

    That said, everyone has bad PUG experiences at times. But I still do most of my runs with PUGs. This is partly necessity, as the guild I’m in is mostly composed of characters 10-40 levels ahead of me, but I also find that I can usually choose to be amused and entertained with failgroups. The unwarranted vote-kick, though, would have upset me.

  7. Drew September 2, 2011 / 8:51 am

    The Dungeon Finder was the beginning of the end for WoW as far as civility is concerned among the player base. Considering many of the “missing” players from WoW likely ended up in RIFT, it doesn’t come as a huge surprise to me to hear stories like this. Group kick functionality was another back-breaker. I wrote about it recently; it’s a sad state MMOs have ended up in regarding community, it really is.

  8. Utakata September 2, 2011 / 10:53 am

    As I’ve stated for WoW, I will also state this for RIFT: Any players doing that should be reported for griefing. If they’re kicking players over 3rd party damage meters, then they should lose the priveledge of playing the game. It’s that simple.

    This is one of the reason why I left WoW. It’s delinquent and abusive behavior. And it’s a shame Trion allowed these kind of meters, which is the brunt cuase of this, into the game that has turned WoW into a cesspool of nastiness and ignorance community wise. Just saying.

  9. rowan September 2, 2011 / 11:09 am

    That does suck. I’ve been on the other side, though. Once I was heal-pugging in WoW, and got grouped with a guilded tank and huntard (trust-me this is not stereotyping), along with two other random DPSers. The hunter did something egregious, and a vote-kick was initiated. It was unsuccessful, and the Huntard mocked us, “Hahah you tried to kick me” or some such. Thoroughly irritated, *I* initiated another vote-kick and he was gone, right as we started on the last boss. The tank got kinda pissed but finished the dungeon out, probably to make sure he at least got his daily token.

    I often wonder what the conversation was like between the two during and after the vote-kicks.

    I do think DPS meters should be banned. They are not really anything but epeen boosters.

  10. Sharon September 2, 2011 / 11:41 am

    When my rogue hit 50, I ditched her rather than pug through experts. I ran dailies with her until my eyes bled, and then got bored. Since I haven’t been able to find a stable guild in Rift, I really only log on to play lowbie alts. Sadly, I see the Rift community going the way of WoW. Instead, I’ve been spending most of my MMO time back in LOTRO.

  11. Warsyde September 7, 2011 / 5:36 pm

    I’ve recently picked up Rift again to scratch that MMORPG itch, and I have to say that my decent pug/miserable pug ratio is running about 50/50 at the moment — and that’s in leveling dungeons.

    I don’t give a crap about the loot (and thankfully no body else does either) but Rift is clearly inheriting a WoW-based community which is sad.

    Sometimes I wish I could just jump from beta to beta. The community is almost always better than live.

  12. Michael Sutter October 2, 2011 / 12:26 pm

    What you said about PUGs is so true. Some people in PUGs are just jerks. If you don’t meet their “DPS standard” for your class, then look out, because you might just get kicked. It’s unfortunate that there are players like that, and even more sad that they are so addicted they can’t see how childish that kind of behavior is.

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